The reality of Heaven and Hell in HISTORY! Part 9

I like to give the ancient texts the benefit of the doubt, and see the ancients as not the ignoramuses many scientists and fellow Atheists presume they were. And while I know some knowledge now known by us today was unknown to them, some knowledge known to them is still unknown to us. . . Times have changed, and we have evolved in some things, while loosing the knowledge and skills to do other things. That knowledge should give us some humility and flexibility with our understanding of the past, as I discussed in my last post of the series:

All myths change and evolve, it's just human nature. . . "God" is no exception. Part 8

So now I want to expand on one of the most famous and ancient myths/legends and how it has evolved; the myth of Heaven. As it seems to have predated the myth of Hell, we will start there. . .

Sometimes people speak of Heaven as Paradise, and Paradise as Heaven, not seeming to see them as, or understanding them to be different places. . .or are they? Let's look at these two places mythology describes, in reference to the god(s). . . which I have identified in previous posts of this series as none other then the "ancient aliens" or "Tall men".
So let's start with:

                                 Paradise

There are connections between "paradise" and the Biblical "garden of Eden", but seemingly not Heaven, "where God is". Actually, there are a lot of places in mythology that all trace back to Eden, and it seems very confusing the more you trust on the newer myths for your facts. Going back to the oldest version of the Garden of Eden though, it seems pretty clear to me. . . The Garden of the gods (Sumerian paradise) is the oldest version of the Garden of Eden in the Sumerian text, (the upper right picture) and likely where the later myths all started from.
   Edward Lipinski and Peter Kyle McCarter have suggested that the forests of Lebanon (spoken of within the Bible and other writings,) is also connected with the Garden of the gods. Emain, Abalach, Avolon, the isle of glass, the isle of apples, the isle of man, the fortunate isle, Paradise, the Garden of the Golden Apples, the Garden of Idun and Thule, etc. are all believed to be one and the same thing: an allegory or namesake of the original cradle of civilization spoken of in the Sumerian text.

There has been some confusion, from what I have read, over a generic use, or even the allegorical use of "the garden of Eden" or "Paradise". Especially in the case of Avalon, the enigmatic conical hill that rises above Glastonbury in the UK. Avalon was also called "the isle of glass" which is similar to the name "Glastonbury". Glastonbury Tor was where King Arthur was buried after his death.

Yes, he is believed to be real and not myth. Furthermore, from his bones he was said to have been a giant, at least 9 feet tall, with blond hair in his casket. He was made into stuff of legend just as Jesus was, because of his magical and honorable life. (Which by all counts was very long. He died in war after 100 years of reigning as king. . .again typical of the giant race of god/men to have had a long life.)

Like many myths, there evolved with time exaggerations of King Arthur's life and death. He supposedly cheated death by a miraculous healing of a head wound when his servants took him to Avalon (or paradise). But there is ample evidence of his death now.
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Back to Paradise though:


In the Talmud and the Jewish Kabbalah, the scholars all agree that there were two types of spiritual places called the"Garden of Eden". The first is rather terrestrial, of abundant fertility and luxuriant vegetation, known as the "lower Gan Eden". The second is envisioned as being celestial, possibly in the sky or above the other, and known as the habitation of the righteous, immortal souls. It is called the "higher Gan Eden".
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This original understanding of "Eden" in the Hebrew and around the Bible times brings some additional clarity to the debate of whether or not at least one cultures' Eden was the celestial or the other Eden.

The famous Eden, paradise or Avolon of King Arthur, according to the Bible, could not have been the original "lower" Garden of Eden, or cradle of civilization. Why? Because it was an island for one thing, The Bible states that the original Eden had 4 rivers running from it and through it. Genesis 2-3 locates the garden of Eden in these verses:

"Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is Pishon. . . The name of the second river is Gihon. . .The name of the third river is Tigris. . .And the fourth river is the Euphrates."

So the Jewish account of the lush and fertile "lower" Eden, as described in the Bible, was not surrounded by water, but it sprung from it. No one has yet found that Eden, but I suspect I know where it is, which I will get into in a future post.  . . .

So the notorious and "magical" Avolon of King Arthur, while not like the original lush "lower" Eden, could simply have been a namesake of sorts to commemorate a place long gone, or far away, but still in remembrance to the family (as it seems clear that King Arthur was).  That memorable place being, the likely later version of the original "lower" Eden, the "Higher" Eden. This then original "Higher" Eden was an island I believe; that Island of myth: Atlantis.

As further evidence of my theory, Isidore's description in about 600 BCE of the (presumably original) Fortunate Isles (another name for paradise or Atlantis) reads:

"The name of the Isles of the Fortunate signifies that they bear all good things, as if happy and blessed in the abundance of their fruits. Serviceable by nature, they bring forth fruits of valuable forests; their hilltops are clothed with vines growing by chance; in place of grasses, there is commonly vegetable and grain. Writers and the songs of the poets have held that these islands are Paradise because of the soil."


"The island of apples which men call “The Fortunate Isle” gets its name from the fact that it produces all things of itself; the fields there have no need of the plows of the farmers and all cultivation is lacking except what nature provides. Of its own accord it produces grain and grapes, and apple trees grow in its woods from the close-clipped grass. The ground of its own accord produces everything instead of merely grass, and people live there a hundred years or more. "

In medieval geographies, Isidore's Fortunate Islands were identified with the Canaries. Which is ironically right off the coast from the area of Morocco and Spain. Which area would have been connected with the place where Atlantis was, before the rise in the ocean and earthquake that destroyed the island continent. (According to evidence of it's whereabouts from the ancient texts, and the ancient ruins that have recently been found there.)

Plato also spoke of the island in 360 BCE as full of a special race of people. "Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power." According to Plato, Atlantis was a naval power that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa in approximately 9600 BC.

In Critias, Plato claims that his accounts of . . . Atlantis stem from a visit to Egypt . . . In Egypt, [he met a guy named] Solon [who] met a priest of Sais, who translated the history of ancient Athens and Atlantis, recorded on papyri in Egyptian hieroglyphs, into Greek."
A later commentator defending Plato said that some of the things Plato wrote of were written on pillars in Egypt, which are still preserved.
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 Also, these people in Mu, that seem to be mainly from Atlantis, were described by a historian named Churchward:

"According to Churchward the white people were the dominant group on Mu", "Besides these", he goes on to say, rather enigmatically, "There were people of other races - people with yellow, brown or black skins. They, however, did not dominate."

 The passage of Pliny (Hist. Nat. 4:26) on the Hyperboreans of Atlantis/Mu is worth quoting:

"Beyond the Aquilon one finds a blessed nation called, according to tradition, the Hypeboreans. Among them, men reach an extreme age. Many marvels are told of this people. Some say that the hinges of the world and the limit of the course of the stars lie in their region..."

Pliny also evokes the description of where they live in Celtic poems:

"Treason is there unknown and so is sadness.

There no pain, no regret, no death, no grief,

No disease, no weakness, ever afflict anyone.

For such is the fortune of Emain. [another name for paradise or Eden]

What a wonderful country is this one!

There the young never grow old at all!"

More recently the Nazis believed in a historical Thule as mentioned before being not only equal to Paradise, but as the ancient origin of specifically the Aryan race. . .leading me to speculate that they were speaking of the "lower" Eden.

 A race of giant supermen were said to have lived in Thule, They were linked into the Cosmos through magical powers. They had psychic and technological abilities far exceeding the technical achievements of the 20th century. This knowledge was to be put to use to save the Fatherland and create a new race of Nordic /Aryan/ Atlanteans when they found it. They made many expeditions looking for an opening into a hollow Earth said to be at the North pole, apparently because they believed it must be there to be in a "lower" part of the Earth. They may have actually found something too, putting a sudden end to a war that by all counts, they should have won. . . but that's for a future post. . . 

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                                                              What about Heaven then?

Our translated word "Heaven", was often in reference to being "above", (like the "higher" Eden, but with little mention of a garden, island or even the lower Eden, the place where man started) which has been presumed for hundreds of years to be in reference to somewhere in space, as most people no longer believe in a hollow Earth as the lower Eden. . .yet we have explored space with our telescopes and see no way that the space theory of Heaven could be logical either, (in this dimension at least). . .

The ancient Egyptians (the early ones called "gods") in describing where they and their ancestors came from, said that "Heaven" was a physical place far above the Earth in a "dark area" of space where there were no stars. . .while they could have been talking in simple terms to simple minds, not having telescopes yet. . .I think every patch of sky would show stars under normal conditions. . .so what could cause a blockage of the stars shinning? Sounds like a large space ship to me. . .but more on that in a future post.



 So as you can see, not only is there a huge confusion between the different Edens, but just to add to the confusion they add another place for the gods to live, and use the same word. We actually see this pattern repeated throughout the Bible. It is one of the difficulties of translating a language with many descriptive words, to one with fewer words. Take the example of "love". There are numerous words for love in the Hebrew language, but just one in English. And so, the place "where god is" became at different times the lower or higher Eden, the space ship, different mountains of God or/the gods, and lastly it's said that someday,  "God" will return and the New Jerusalem will come from the sky.

Back to Atlantis though: believe it or not it is also connected to and confused with Hell!

"The sinking of this realm is told in the legend of the Flooding of Ys, another central tradition of Celtic mythology. And their sunken Paradise became the Land of the Dead, the "Tomb of Glass" (Glastonbury the paradise of King Arthur)  or "Island of Glass" (Ynis Wydr) that we encounter so often in their Celtic legends. This sunken paradise is also the Hades of the Greeks, the Hanebut of the Egyptians, the Nefelheim of the Germanic Nations and the Sheol of the Jews. "

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So while Paradise/Eden and Heaven seem to be used interchangably in our language, (though they are obviously different in some cases) it is ironic that the original Hell is even confused with it too! Of course, just as no Christian would claim Atlantis as the Garden of Eden,  rare Christians would claim Greek myths like that of Hades.

Of course consequently, it is claimed by some Jews or Christians that Sheol is slightly different then the Greeks Hades, because Sheol is sometimes equated with the grave/death, instead of being "a sunken paradise and land of the dead". While it's easy to see that it did become synonymous with death and the grave later in the New Testament, that rendering makes little sense in interpreting the Old Testament. For instance, check out this translation of the verse in Psalms 6:5 , "For in death [Sheol] there is no remembrance of thee ["God" or the ancient alien/tall men]: in Hell/the grave [same word Sheol] who shall give thee thanks?" For a Christian to say that you don't remember "God" when you are dead and in Heaven with God, is actually pretty funny (unless you believe in a sleeping sort of wait time "under the throne" before you get taken to Heaven. . .) Answer me this Christians: How can you stand in front of him at his throne and say to him, "I never knew you"? I thought that was God's line to Atheists like me. . . Ha ha.

Anyhow, as the Eden had an higher and lower version, it appears the same could be said of what is translated as Hell. On the one hand, Hades and Sheol were associated with the upper Eden/ or Atlantis in it's association with death after the flood, but in many references it was also spoken of as "below" or "under" like the "lower" Eden). In ancient myths it was referred to as the "underworld". There is always confusion with the evolution of myths, but I think if we go back to the original "under" or "netherworld" myth, it may make more sense.

The Sumerian netherworld Irkalla was a place for the spirits of the dead to exist after death.
Both the deity in charge of it and the location were called Irkalla, much like how Hades in Greek mythology is both the name of the underworld and the god who ruled it.

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Irkalla is similar to both Hades of classic Greek mythology, and Sheol of the Hebrew Bible. Irkalla had no punishment or reward, being seen as a more dreary version of life above, with the ruling god (actually all the original myths had a male and female team ruling.) being seen as both warden and guardian of the dead rather than a sinister ruler like Satan or death gods of other much later religions.

The ancient Aztec's gods of the underworld also had a similar role of keeping watch over the dead. Their gods of the dead were said to have presided over the ancient festival of the dead. The modern Day of the Dead from which Halloween comes, evolved from the Aztec traditions. Only the future and quite recent Christian view of the sinister ruler Satan and the evil death gods of other spin off religions made Halloween into a scary and wicked event. . .but it wasn't intended as such. It was a day to honor the spirits of the dead ancestors.

Whatever the case, Hades, Sheol and Hell were all apparently in reference to the sunken and lost paradise of Atlantis and also a lower place, presumably the "lower" Eden, the cradle of civilization. Fire was not invented for Hell until the New Testament, and had more to do with a visualization from Jesus comparing the death there with the city dump where everything dead got put, and was occasionally set fire to.

If Heaven and Hell are basically the same in most cases, what about the ones in charge of them? We already studied out about the term "God" meaning "Tall men" and quite obviously coming from the original Sumerian text's ancient aliens, the Annanaki, but next we'll get into a more in-depth study of God's names, including a study of Lucifer and the origin and invention of Satan, the notorious villain of the Bible in my next post called :"Do you know God's names and where they came from? part 10"